EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

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#1 EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Edd » 20 Nov 2017 21:27

Whilst we accept that social media is what it is...this clip reveals a fair bit nonetheless.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GG_Egot711o

We can only go by similar footage, however it makes for pretty uncomfortable viewing. And yet, they (or similar) are allegedly allowed to carry on regardless.....setting a good example? Are they above the law? (Two wrongs seldom make a right, right?)

Make your own minds up.

Ps., maybe this one could remain 'sticky' just to highlight how some companies agents operate? Anyone perhaps feeling alarmed or potentially distressed could be possibly reminded of the fact that these bods are not worth it. Or, not if this type of behaviour is seemingly condoned ..... Until at least such time there's proper change.

And maybe just maybe a more civilised approach beckons.

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#2 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Schedule 12 » 20 Nov 2017 23:10

I've seen much worse this week alone. One bailiff was caught on camera taken behind a closed door telling a single mum to go and unfuck yourself!

Another bailiff towed a car to an auction premises only for it be stolen a within hours when its tracker reported movement heading down the M2.

The case where a clients car was flashed by a congestion charge was actually aboard a tow truck, and not being driven as originally suspected. The client named the bailiff to be the driver and gave a copy of the notice of immobilisation in evidence. Not sure how TFL will go about recovering that.

Another client paid the debt and got his car back from an auction company and discovered it now has a different engine and broken lights (possibly swapped).

Got an injunction to recover a Bentley sports car. The client was a hire car company and a hirer incurred PCN's and the hire company didn't complete the NTO. While out on another hire, it was ANPR lifted. The warrant had the wrong address. The car has damaged paintwork, not on the hire condition report. Only the bailiff's bodycam footage can exonerate the bailiff company from liability. Stratstone's bill wont leave any change of £20K
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#3 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Edd » 16 Dec 2017 12:44

Seems to be a bit of a ding-dong going on re vulnerability in another thread. For fear of clogging up that thread and or going off topic the following statement surprised me somewhat? A certain poster said:

"If a person can put together a post seeking help on an internet forum then it would almost certainly exclude them from being deemed vulnerable for enforcement purposes. Their goods would..."

On that basis I guess if that they can just about make it to the eg., nearest citizens advice, they too may not be deemed as not vulnerable?

Have heard and come across some hogwash on forums before - this only underlines this point further. Bottom line remains nobody can pre judge nor predict what exactly is going on behind the doors of any household...erring on the side of caution may perhaps be detrimental to an EAs commission however this does not change the fact and situation at hand. It may well save a lot of hassle/stress etc and frankly even someone's life. It is sometimes pretty sickening when you read comments that not only make assumptions but also somehow disregarding the fact that having heavies at the door could push some over the edge - it is a bit like a throwback to the 18th century.

Funny how north of the border (and elsewhere) none of this poppy-cock actually exists in the same form. Why?

Maybe they have a slightly more civilised approach.....

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#4 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Edd » 16 Dec 2017 13:01

Just to add: it is also not akin to saying to someone..well, if you are able to call Good Samaritans - you must be okay?

Same poster seems to think by adding more personalised insults adds to the weight of the argument? I've said what I've said and whilst not expecting everyone to maybe agree - a reasoned debate can turn into the kind of antics you often find in a playground. And maybe providing evidence to the contrary is only then worthy of debate and adds weight to your argument. I.e., more constructive approach - Whilst I may or may not be met with more verbal, we'll see, others can make up their own minds.

I rest my case.

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#5 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Edd » 16 Dec 2017 13:18

An extremely tragic case indeed:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... or-reforms

So to sum up - if YOU are feeling threatened, intimidated and bullied by someone demanding money then consider the following. It is after all only money. Your wellbeing takes precedent indeed your kids/family may depend on it - and whilst perhaps easier said then done, how YOU feel at the time (factoring in circumstances often beyond your control for eg a zero-hour contract or higher than usual bills) is the most important thing of all.

Nothing else. Don't be fooled otherwise. There are folk on your side despite maybe thinking otherwise. Having less or no money does not make you a bad person. Far from it. Value your well being first....no.1 priority.

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#6 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by John The Baptist » 16 Dec 2017 19:37

You haven't been met with any verbal at all so stop with the crocodile tears.

You are flogging a dead horse and you are using ridiculous comparisons to try to prolong the debate.

Until you can get it into your head that vulnerability for the purposes of enforcement is specifically aimed at those who cannot manage their own financial affairs, it is pointless debating with you.

I said that if a person was able to post on here seeking information, it was likely that they would not be deemed vulnerable for enforcement purposes. Being disabled, unemployed or a single mother will not excuse you from dealing with bailiffs if you fail to pay or at least communicate with the creditor.

If someone can get themselves up to the Samaritans or Citizens Advice, why can't they deal with the creditor at an earlier stage? Bailiffs are only called in as a last resort when all other attempts to collect the debt have failed.

Surely even you can appreciate that if there are genuine concerns and people don't wish to incur bailiff fees, the best course of action would be to deal with the matter, not to wait until bailiffs contact you and then claim to be vulnerable?

Yes, informing the bailiff that there is vulnerability is advisable but this will only impact on how the debt is enforced, it won't mean the case is automatically taken away. Bailiffs do not land on peoples doorsteps mob handed with baseball bats you know? They collect debts using a legal process.

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#7 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Edd » 16 Dec 2017 22:38

Shall say it again and for those who perhaps missed out.

Never, ever fall for the bullying and intimidation type tactics. Never. If that is precisely how you are made to feel - it is not your problem but those who're causing the scene and acting out of order.

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#8 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by John The Baptist » 17 Dec 2017 08:15

Shall say it for those who don't know what they are talking about.

Most bailiffs are filming themselves. It is very rare to find a bailiff who bullies or intimidates people these days.

The problem arises because many bailiffs can be smarmy and slimey, pretending that they are helping you and pretending that they have no option, whilst lying and adding fees that are not compliant.

Sadly, many people read rubbish on internet sites and form this vision of bailiffs going around threatening people and bullying them. It just doesn't happen. Obviously, another problem is people misunderstanding what the term "vulnerability" means as far as debtors are concerned.

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#9 Re: EAs behaviour - under the spotlight?

Post by Pote Snitkin » 17 Dec 2017 08:29

We certainly know a few smarmy ones, eh Gary? There's a debate - should those with a criminal record be employed as bailiffs?

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